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SC Voters 'Rethink' Persuasive Gingrich

GOP voters in Palmetto State warm to the former House Speaker.

 
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CHARLESTON, SC - NOVEMBER 28: Republican presidential candidate and former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich (L) shares a laugh with Rep. Tim Scott at a townhall meeting at the College of Charleston on November 28, 2011 in Charleston, South Carolina. The event is hosted by Republican Rep. Tim Scott. Photo by Richard Ellis/Getty Images
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CHARLESTON, SC - NOVEMBER 28: Republican presidential candidate and former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich (L) shares a laugh with Rep. Tim Scott at a townhall meeting at the College of Charleston on November 28, 2011 in Charleston, South Carolina. The event is hosted by Republican Rep. Tim Scott.
Where is Huckabee when we need him?

Persuasive — that's how many South Carolina voters describe GOP presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich. 

"I think that's an understatement," Ed Bennett of West Ashley said Monday, after attending a Charleston town hall featuring Gingrich.

While Gingrich has stances on several issues that didn't already jibe with Bennett's beliefs, the White House hopeful was able to explain away many of the differences. Bennett called this "more of a learning process."

Gingrich, who was put in the "left for dead" category in the crowded Republican Party field just two months ago, is soaring in the polls both nationally and locally.

A poll conducted Monday by InsiderAdvantage for the Augusta Chronicle showed Gingrich holding a dominanting lead for the Jan. 21 South Carolina primary. Gingrich's support of 38 percent was more than double former Gov. Mitt Romney's 15 percent and businessman Herman Cain's 13 percent, according to the poll of 519 likely primary voters.

Two months ago, Gingrich was polling in single-digits — and in fifth place.

Gingrich, according to voters Patch talked to in recent days, is winning support by pushing many conservative causes, questioning assumptions and sending a positive message that includes hope for the country.

The candidate is making a big bet on South Carolina, building one of the largest teams and opening the most offices. In addition to the Greenville state headquarters, Gingrich has opened offices in Charleston and Bluffton.

His grassroots efforts are being led by state Rep. Joshua Putnam in the Upstate, former Jon Huntsman state field director DeLinda Ridings in the Midlands, Myrtle Beach Tea Party leader Gerri McDaniel in the Pee Dee and Tea Party veteran Chris Horne in Charleston. Joanne Jones, vice chairwoman for the Charleston Tea Party, is also on board under the leadership of state director Adam Waldeck and policy director Vince Haley.

This week, he's spending three days in the Palmetto State, crossing from Charleston to Greenville.

Unlike other candidates who often repeat stump speeches and talking points again and again at each stop, Gingirch's often-extemporaneous diatribes fail to fit into easy soundbites.

If applause is any indication on what voters are reacting to from the former Speaker, here is a long laundry list of his hits during Monday's town hall in Charleston:

  • Defunding the National Labor Relations Board until a new board is seated.
  • "The government is subject to you."
  • Defunding cities that declare themselves as "sanctuary cities" for illegal immigrants.
  • Defending the United States as part of the president's role. 
  • "Dramatically shrink the Department of Education." 
  • Students should get the grades they earn and teachers should have the right to discipline unruly children. 
  • "There's no good bills at page 2,600."
  • Citing Obama's debt-forgiveness plan for college students as ineffective.
  • "I don't think you can fix (the EPA)." 
  • "If you don't have common sense, don't apply here (at new Environmental Solutions Agency)." 
  • "Waterboarding, by every technical rule, is not torture." 
  • "We're not going to be intimidated in not defending the United States of America by the ACLU." 
  • Using litigation reform to ebb medical costs.
  • Establishing English as the official language of the U.S. government. 
  • Ensuring immigrants gaining citizenship have "a serious understanding" of U.S. history.
  • Making deportation easier and not giving illegal immigrants the same rights as American citizens.
  • "There's no illegal worker without an illegal employer." 
  • "(A 12.5 percent corporate rate) would actually mean that GE would pay taxes."
  • Abolishing the "Death Tax."
  • Repealing Dodd-Frank.
  • Replacing the Food and Drug Administration. 
  • Putting a sign behind him after the inauguration that reads "America is open for business again."
  • Saying Rep. Tim Scott was on his "short list" of running mates.
  • "We have no opponents except Barack Obama." 
  • "We will be back. You ain't seen nothing yet."

Wooing 'traditional' South Carolina voters

It seems voters in the state are coming around to Gingrich's position on illegal immigration, which created an attack point from fellow conservatives, and to him as the viable conservative leader in the age of the Tea Party, which scorns political establishment and social agendas in much of the country. The Palmetto State version of the Tea Party views itself and its influence in a unique light.

South Carolina Republicans appear to view his establishment in the Republican Party and his values — which lists his third executive order as president to enforce the right for medical professionals to decline medical procedures against their religious beliefs — as assets.

"People in South Carolina are traditional and that's what they want," said College of Charleston freshman Adam DeLoach, who heard Gingrich at the college's recent Bully Pulpit series and Monday at Congressman Tim Scott's First in the South Town Hall series featuring Gingrich in downtown Charleston. 

Comments that Gingrich is too entrenched in the establishment or too socially conservative don't come "from the people that do belong to the conservative movement," said Linda Ensor of Summerville, who belongs to the Glenn Beck-inspired 9-12 movement. 

"You know who he is," Ensor added. "His skeletons are out of the closet already."

"I don't think it's going to derail him," fellow LowCountry 9.12 member Dana Eiser said. 

Gingrich asking voters to 'rethink'

Nearly every answer Gingrich gave during Monday's town hall in Charleston began with asking the audience to "rethink" a foreign or domestic policy or agency — just like he always asks audiences to be "with" him, instead of just "for" him.

Unlike many other candidates who have urged for change using strong, apocalyptic language, Gingrich called America's current issues "a little bit of a mess." And voters responded.

"It's refreshing; it's hope," Eiser said, adding she liked hearing the positive. 

Brent Rutherford, who recently moved to the Columbia rea from Alabama, said he likes Cain, but is leaning more and more heavily to Gingrich each day, he told Patch after a recent event in Columbia.

"I like Cain because he's a straight-shooter. He has a vitality, there's just something there that nobody else has that he does," he said. "Romney is OK. But he bores me. (Texas Gov.) Perry's just like Bush, just dumber. (Minnesota Congresswoman) Bachmann couldn't possibly win; neither could (U.S. Rep.) Ron Paul, even though I agree with a lot he says. 

"But I'm coming around to Newt and I'll probably vote for him because he's smart and he's got real ideas," Rutherford continued. "And bottom line, I think, is that Newt is probably the closest of these candidates to being a real, true Reagan conservative. And that's what I want, that's what I want more than anything."

For college freshman DeLoach, seeing Gingrich speak at Monday's sealed his primary vote — taking it away from Romney.

Like Ensor and Eiser, he found Gingrich's focus on the future, rather than the negative, "very uplifting," adding that he had great appeal to the younger demographics of the Republican party.

"It's not just about persuasion. It's about what he has to back it up," DeLoach said.

Strong debate performances leading the way

Columbia-area resident Connie Dierks-Hassler has been one of those voters who has steadily been won over by Gingrich's debate performances.

Many political observers are quick to point out that Gingrich has been able to parlay his debate appearances into higher poll numbers, and the candidate has said so himself.

College of Charleston political science adjunct professor Jeri Cabot also attributed his success to strong debate performances.

But don't discount the failing campaigns of previous challengers to favorite Mitt Romney, Cabot said. The race to be the best candidate not named 'Mitt' has strong S.C. ties to a national movement. But early support for Perry, Bachmann and Cain has failed for reasons ranging from debate gaffes to potential sexual infidelities.

"We're still in the phase of 'anybody but Romney,'" Cabot said, adding the primary is still Romney's to lose. "Romney has done well at every debate, too."

When Dierks-Hassler first began paying attention to the race, she had no clear favorite, but that all changed after about her fourth debate. 

"It just seemed clear to me that he had a better grasp of the issues than the others, and he never seemed to really get pulled in to the name-calling," said Dierks-Hassler. "He just seemed to be really sure of himself — and I agreed with him. He's brilliant."

Just as Gingrich's overconfidence has persuaded many voters, some fear that it may be arrogance that dissuades others. 

"That part of his personality is something that he may have to work on a little bit," West Ashley voter Bennett said. 

Related Topics: 2012, College of Charleston, Gop, Newt Gingrich, Primary, Republican Party, Spring Valley 2011, Tea Party, and Tim Scott
What do you think of Newt Gingrich? Tell us in the comments.

maizenbluedoc

7:22 am on Wednesday, November 30, 2011

Gingrich is the same as he always was. It is obvious that he is probably the most informed of the candidates, and he always has a quick wit (usually arrogant) to demean those he considers of lesser status. Also, his questionable dealings with the government-backed loans is of concern. I fear the deja vu of the 2008 election when the Republicans made a knee-jerk decision with the McCain-Palin team. The REpublicans need someone who can beat Obama, and I don't think Gingrich is the person.

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Mimi

4:10 am on Sunday, December 4, 2011

Gingrich is full of crap most of the time he doesn't know the truth anymore. He lives in the now and is excels at saying what people want to hear. Gingrich is one of the most pathetic, evil, hate filled persons on this earth. I find it amusing that Republicans are so desperate that they would support this person that his own party kicked him to the curb. He loathes anyone that is not in his income level. He is a mean pathetic man.

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maizenbluedoc

3:29 pm on Sunday, December 4, 2011

If the Republicans continue on the current path, it will be McCain-Palin all over again. Surely there are some intelligent people in teh Republican party that can push a viable candidate. It is amazing that people don't get the connection between the prominent Democratic support of Gingrich and his inability to beat Obama. Four more years of Obama will destroy America Iwhich I seriously believe is his primary intent). He can always go back to Indonesia and live like the king he believes he is

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Mimi

12:49 am on Monday, December 5, 2011

There is nothing that Obama has done or will do that can be any worse than what was done in the last regime thanks to the Republicans. The Democratic party is the only party at the moment that is capable of handing the difficulties inherited by Obama from Bushy Boy and the Republican policies that have allowed 400 of the richest people in this country to suck the life out of everyone else. You are a fool if you can't see what has happened under Republican rule. 4 out of 5 DEMOCRATIC Presidents have balanced the budget 0 out of 5 Republican Presidents have balanced the budget. Also the Democratic Party is the only party that has been cutting Government spending in the last 2.5 years while the Republican defend the tax gifts to the rich loops holes for billionaires, tax subsidies and corporate welfare. The only Party trying to destroy this country are the REPUBLICANS in the name of GREED.

George Grace

10:18 am on Monday, December 5, 2011

I saw this on a poster -[
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Democrats make better lovers - whoever heard of a good piece of elephant!

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stanley seigler

11:14 am on Monday, December 5, 2011

@maizenbluedoc "Obama will destroy America Iwhich I seriously believe is his primary intent). He can always go back to Indonesia and live like the king he believes he is"

it is rhetoric like the above that could destroy our great country...thankfully it is limited to a small vocal minority...hope it is not racially motivated...most (sadly not all) have moved passed racist motivation.

thanks to BO's policies we are on the slow, steady, road to recovery...and would be much further along if not for the BLOCK BO congress, whose JOB#1 is to make him a one term president...

BTW where are the jobs, jobs, jobs, the 2010 change promised...we cant expect jobs immediately...but;

what job programs have the 2010 GOP-tp replacements proposed...pls advise, they should be given credit for any programs.

@Geo Grace " ...a good piece of elephant"

bad boy

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maizenbluedoc

9:19 pm on Monday, December 5, 2011

That comment is not based on rhetoric. One only has to observe Obama's actions and deeds to see what he is doing to this country. Hopefully, your children and grandchildren, and their children will have a plethora of money to pay for all the spending that has occurred during his watch. I detest people insinuating everything must be racist, primarily because of some deep-seated guilt of their own. FYI, I would vote in a minute for Allen West for president (BTW, if you don't know, he is black).

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stanley seigler

10:16 pm on Monday, December 5, 2011

@maizenbluedoc "comment is not based on rhetoric"

agree yo comment not based on rhetoric...it is rhetoric...but that not the issue...the issue is:

observation of BO actions...eg and as posted on another PATCH thread (a short list):
Obama has overhauled the food safety system
Advanced women’s rights in the work place
Ended Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell (DADT) in our military
Stopped defending DOMA in court.
Passed the Hate Crimes bill.
Appointed two pro-choice women to the Supreme Court.
Expanded access to medical care and provided subsidies for people who can’t afford it.
Expanded the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
Fixed the preexisting conditions travesty [and rescissions] in health insurance.
Invested in clean energy.
Overhauled the credit card industry, making it much more consumer-friendly.
While Dodd-Frank bill was weak in many respects, it was still an extremely worthwhile start at re-regulating the financial sector.
He created a Elizabeth Warren’s dream agency: The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
He’s done a lot for veterans
He got help for people whose health was injured during the clean-up after the 9/11 attacks.

and of course the job legislation which was voted down by the BLOCK BO congress...BTW;

where are the programs the BLOCK BO congress has proposed...

re: "if you don't know, he is black."

i know adam west and he is no BO...

stanley seigler

1:18 pm on Monday, December 5, 2011

@PATCH "...the White House hopeful was able to explain away many of the differences. Bennett called this "more of a learning process."

newt is best, as are most pols, at 'explaining away' (aka spining, aka bsing)...and;

indeed a learning process...but who's fellow to believe. the following a clip from the left wing bleeding heart mag, "Mother Jones (MJ)"

'In a 2007 column [20], he [newt] called on Congress to "require anyone who earns more than $50,000 a year to purchase health insurance or post a bond."'
http://motherjones.com/print/150166

for more similar learning, if interested, pls goto link...might be of particular interest to "family value" folks...

granted MJ is a liberal rag...but facts are facts and can be easily checked by snopes and others...

@PATCH "...a long laundry list of his [newt's] hits during Monday's town hall in Charleston"

anyone pls explain how any of these 'hits' create jobs...similar to infrastructure repair, voted down by 'BLOCK BO' congress...

well guess 'Establishing English as the official language of the U.S. government' will create at least a million or two jobs as soon as it passes...or perhaps jobs, jobs, jobs is no longer a GOP-tper priority...

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George Grace

9:11 pm on Monday, December 5, 2011

"•Abolishing the "Death Tax."
This is pure political propaganda from a demogogue.
It's not a "death tax." It's an Estate Tax, it's been law since the 1930's.
An Estate Tax is a tax on inheritances. It's fair. 2nd, 3rd or 4th generation inheritors are not "job creators" like the Repub's say. They clip coupons.
And they had nothing to do with acquiring the original wealth.
Someone did, with the help of the American people; they're labor, or common resources or something.
An Estate Tax is just the American people getting some back.

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stanley seigler

11:15 am on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

@SDR "Karl Marx agreed."

COMMENT
so did Jesus...He even went a step further, eg:

"Go sell all that you have, give it to the poor, and come and follow me."

and

“It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." Matthew 19:24

one has to wonder at the dichotomy between the talk and walk of the compassionate, Christian, conservative...and amazing how similar the tenets of marx (believe an atheist) and the Christian religion are.

oh/and buffet and gates would probably agree as well...

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SDR

1:21 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

Thanks for the Bible quote.
Jesus' point was about an individuals relationship with Christ Jesus. Marx referred to mob rule, But you are interested in politics, not salvation.
Government spends 86 cents to deliver $1 of services
Charities spend 15 cents to deliver $1 of services.

As a self professed compassionate, will you join us in removing the bridle of government and unleashing the individuals compassion?

Marxism and Christianity similar? Thats a bit of a stretch.

Matthew 12:37 By your words you shall be acquitted and by your words you shall be condemned.

George Grace

2:03 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

Late May, 1934 - FD Roosvelt's 100 Days of legislation. Passing Glass-Steagall.
"two days after an inquiry revealed that the twenty (JP) Morgan partners had not paid a penny in income taxes in two years, the Senate passed the Glass-Steagall banking bill without a dissenting vote.
(Glass-Steagall) required the separation of commercial and investment banking. This feature was highly popular with investors.
More controversial was the provision for federal guarantee of bank deposits ($5000 max). A stepchild of the New Deal, the FDIC proved to be a brilliant achievement.
Fewer banks were suspended during the rest of the decade (1930's) than in even the best year of the 1920's."
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Grace - get the point, "without a dissenting vote." So if something worked that well why repeal it? Lobbyists and a weak Congress, as weak as we have now.
Vote them out, all of them (except Jim Clyburn).

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George Grace

2:15 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

"Late May, 1934"
Oops, for 1934, read 1933.

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stanley seigler

2:30 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

@SDR
as you might expect we have small disagreements...first i am not (in case you are not being facetious) a professed compassionate...nor a fan of organized religion...

now to politics

re: "...unleashing the individuals compassion?"

to date all an unregulated free market unleashed is GREED...results: the 1929 depression and the 2008 recession.

as said in other PATCH threads...the unregulated free market only works where there are no bad guys and all work for the common good...eg, nirvana.

re: Government spends 86 cents to deliver $1 of services Charities spend 15 cents to deliver $1 of services.

even if yo figs are right (provide ref)...charities could not provide many of the services...eg: fire/police protection; fair and appropriate education for all; and the military.

another cost comparison, quote NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/13/opinion/13krugman.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print

[CLIPs] Medicare actually saves money...a lot of money...compared with relying on private insurance companies...Medicare spending per beneficiary rose more than 400 percent from 1969 to 2009...But inflation-adjusted premiums on private health insurance rose more than 700 percent over the same period...And then there’s the international evidence. The United States has the most privatized health care system in the advanced world; it also has, by far, the most expensive care, without gaining any clear advantage in quality for all that spending. [end clips]

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stanley seigler

3:36 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

ps
@SDR "Marxism and Christianity similar? Thats a bit of a stretch."

for sure a light years spiritual stretch...no stretch at all re social systems.

actually Christianity is much more socialistic than marxism...Christianity comes close to communism with a come to Jesus movement...

some believe that "the teachings of Jesus Christ compel Christians to support communism as the ideal social system"...but certainly NOT a spiritual system.

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stanley seigler

9:35 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

FYI stuff
"In general the platform expressed : a strong government to regulate industry, protect the middle and working classes, and carry on great national projects..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_(United_States,_1912)

BO's platform...no teddy roosevelt's bull moose progressive party's...who was called a socialist...the GOPs of TR's day were on the wrong side of history...as are the GOP-tpers of today...

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George Grace

10:44 pm on Tuesday, December 6, 2011

The Progressive Party died after FDR, why I don't know but I'm reading about that now. I think FDR co-opted their platform for the Democrats.
It's a great tradition in American history buy one that we definitely don't need right now. It would take votes away from Obama.
The Occupy movement is in the tradition of the Progressive Party.

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stanley seigler

2:08 am on Wednesday, December 7, 2011

@George Grace "The Occupy movement [OM] is in the tradition of the Progressive Party."

agree...just wish the OM had a MLK...a cesar chavez..or RFK...

opine: perhaps BO will be that leader...in addition to his political skills, he has the common good as a goal.

ps. i too will read more re the progressive movement.

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