POLL: Does Prejudice Still Exist for Both Mormons, African Americans?
Sizable pockets of voters say they would be uncomfortable with a close family member marrying someone who is black or Mormon. What do you think? Vote in our poll and then sound off in the comments section below.
Four years after the first black man was elected president and a Morman man first ran for the same office, both African Americans and Mormons say prejudice still abounds.
A new poll conducted by Washington Post-ABC News, shows that a large number of say they would be uncomfortable with a close family member marrying someone who is black or Mormon.
More Americans also express “no opinion” when asked about the Mormon faith.
What do you think? Do you think these prejudices still exist in South Carolina? Vote in our poll and then sound off in our comments section below.
Ken
10:46 am on Monday, July 16, 2012
Prejudice is rampant in this state, unless you are a straight, white, wealthy christian republican you may as well not exist in the eyes of some.
penny
11:11 am on Monday, July 16, 2012
Agreed.
George Plunkett
12:18 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012
There is just as much black on white prejudice as there is white on black. It will not stop until everyone realizes that life is not a zero sum game, we all can be winners. BUT, you have to get an education and work to get there.
Sammy
12:02 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012
There is someone out there who is prejudiced against YOU, no matter what your creed, religion, or station in life. It is NOT just Caucasians who harbor prejudice.
Rich39
12:06 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012
Prejudice in SC? Yes. Bet and lost money in 2008 that Obama would not win the presidency. I made a big mistake. I was judging the people in the USA like the people in Lexington County, and the rest of SC.
When Obama won it made me proud of the USA. Now everybody had a chance to be President. Next November, it could be a Mormon.
Think back 170 years. How the Blacks and Mormons were treated in our nation.
God Bless the USA
Mark Winter
1:38 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
Great Comment and God Bless You also.
Hobby
12:56 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012
How about another response option: Yes, it also exists againts whites. Case in point: where is the outrage over the recent murder here of a white teen, Marley Lion, by a black male? Where are the justice seekers and protesters on this one, or does it only exist when the victim is black? The silence and hypocrisy are both deafening...
stanley seigler
2:11 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012
@Hobby-ilks: "...Yes, it also exists against whites..."
perhaps...but it pales by comparison to the bs racism the black have suffered...eg, slavery, jim crow laws, to back of the bus, to the balcony of the sville theater, to 'colored' water fountains (as recent as the 1950's)...just because they were black...
in days of yore (as recent as 1940-50s), the difference in facilities at sville hi and alston hi were stark...
some black prejudice/hatred is justified...if i had been born black in SC i would have been in jail for killing some honky KKK type...
OK forget my hype/bs...just what does hobby see as black prejudice against whites...or just what does hobby see, in general, as prejudice against whites that in anyway compares to the racism blacks have suffered...
re: "Does Prejudice Still Exist for Both Mormons, African Americans [latino americians]?"
is the pope catholic?... are Block BO-haters, racist?...you betchum red ryder...Yayzus wept...
Leroy Jenkins
9:43 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012
Blah...Blah...Blah. As recent as the 1950s. The problem is that the 'oppressed' always cite what happened 60 years ago as proof that white on black racism is running rampant today.
Can you tell me how many blacks really worry about being lynched by whites today? I can assure you that whites are much more likely to be concerned about becoming a victim of black on white violence, but who's counting, right? It's easier to let the old stereotypes continue to play on time and time again.
Fortunately for the rest of us there soon will come a time that there will be no one around who witnessed Jim Crow, etc. firsthand, and then maybe we as a society can FINALLY move beyond the agenda of those like Jesse and Al who make a lucrative living by fanning the flames of the inequities of the past .
I don't see racism against blacks, and I've never heard of a stigma against Mormons.
stanley seigler
2:05 am on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
@Leroy Jenkins: 'I don't see racism...etcetc
there are those who dont recognize racism and prejudice (against the mormons, muslins, jews, etcetc)...believe they are not racists...use the fact blacks dont fear being lynched as proof there is no racism.
unfortunately for society, thanks to those who see no racism, there will NOT soon come a time when there is no racism...'none so blind as those who will not see'...
a problem must be recognized and it existence admitted before there can be a solution...
re: Blah...Blah...Blah
BlahBlahBlah more appropriate/accurate than 'i see no racism'...
bet some of leroy's best friends are blacks, mormons, jews, muslims.
Gretchen
7:35 am on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
AMEN Hobby.
stanley seigler
2:09 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
@Gretchen: 'AMEN Hobby'
hobby has not answered the following...perhaps gretchen will...
'...just what does hobby [or gretchen] see as black prejudice against whites...or just what does hobby [or gretchen] see, in general, as prejudice against whites that in anyway compares to the racism blacks have suffered...'[stanley seigler]
JoSCh
5:02 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Are you trying to reference the Trayvon Martin case? The outrage wasn't that he was killed. It sucks, but it happens to all kinds of people, just like it did to Marley Lion. The outrage was that George Zimmermann was walking free and the investigation was no longer being pursued. If they were to ID Marley Lions killer and he said "it was self defense" to the police and he was freed and no longer investigated you honestly don't think the same kind of reaction would happen? Exactly what are we expected to protest? Do you believe that the police aren't investigating this? And if so, do you think that because the victim is white? Actually I've seen your hypocritical posts, you don't need to answer any of the questions. Your modern GOP indoc has you clowns feeling you're the minority, the victims.
Chaplain Greg Smith
3:43 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012
There is a fundamental problem with the question. To be black is a product of DNA. To be Mormon is the product of a choice. I don't like Mormon people's beliefs just like I don't like sushi. Their belief that "as God was, so we are... And as God is, so we will be" is as crazy to me as thinking that I'll get healthy by eating more Ice Cream. Freedom of choice means that I can have preferences even at the belief level. Does a decision to vote for someone because of their religious beliefs make me Prejudiced... Or does it mean that I respect them enough to know what their beliefs (and implications for life) are not what I think are best in a leader?
That doesn't mean I won't vote for Romney... Obama has far worse values and beliefs, in my opinion.
Greg Smith - Citadel Chaplain, Episcopal
Mark Winter
2:12 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
Chaplain: I suppose I do not understand your reasoning for not wanting to vote for a Mormon. I have voted in every election since I have been of age. I can not remember a candidate's religion being so important as in this race. I could not tell you what religion, President Bush, Clinton, Reagan, etc...or their running mates were. Can you? Are you just as opposed to Jews, Pentecostals, or Greek Orhtodoxs running for President? BTW, I am not a Mormon in case you were wondering but I am a Christian.
stanley seigler
4:00 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
@Greg Smith: 'Obama has far worse values and beliefs, in my opinion.'
enlighten we sinners (well this sinner) to some of BO's 'far worse values'...worse than what/who...
Robert Kelly
8:42 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
How does slamming the door on the poor and the sick qualify as better values and beliefs than working to provide support for the least of us? How does working to make sure the wealthiest get to keep more, at the expense of the recipients of government assistance rate as more moral? How does starting wars in countries half a world away under false pretenses, killing them and sending our own young men and women to their deaths for no good reason qualify as better values and beliefs? I can understand the wealthy (the Rush Limbaughs of the world) making the political point that they made their money and now they want to keep it, but I can't imagine how a christian chaplain makes that case. Is it because BO supports legal marriage between same sex? Have you noted the national Episcopal Church also is willing to bless those unions? Do they national Episcopalians also have worse values and beliefs? Are you really a christian chaplain?
Sammy
7:11 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
stanley seigler, OK ss, let me answer what does anyone see as black against white prejudice. In 1997, ennis fant led a boycott against Caucasian businesses in Greenville. That was prejudiced. Little more than a week ago, my wife heard a woman complaining about our granddaughter's boyfriend, She was saying she just did not understand why a black male wanted to take up with a white female, it was just wrong. That woman WAS black! So, does that meet your criteria for black against white prejudice? I can give a lot more examples to you if you really want me to.
stanley seigler
9:47 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
@Sammy: '...So, does that meet your criteria for black against white prejudice? I can give a lot more examples to you if you really want me to.'
really want you too...
re: 1997, ennis fant led a boycott against Caucasian businesses in Greenville. [sammy]
the only 1997 action by fant, that i found, was to protest killing of black man by prison guards...if you have details of a fant (anyone) action that was not initiated by the killing of a black man... pls provide details.
is protesting the killing of a black man reverse racism...this is really reaching to defend the indefensible...there is no black on white racism that remotely relates to 'racism.'
re: she [black lady] just did not understand why a black male wanted to take up with a white female...
dont know the lady...she may/maynot be a racist...in any event one racist lady is not 'racism' as generally understood (except by a white minority).
if you see protesting the killing of a black man as black on white racism...then this explains the continued racism...you are really reaching to attempt to justify 'racism' with black on white racism...there is no justification.
@Frank Jones: Racism in the South and in parts of the country didn't stop in the 50s and 60s...It continued through the 70's, 80's, 90's and the 2000's
it did/does. that people dont see it is reason that it will be with us for a while...sad.
Sammy
7:15 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
"Fortunately for the rest of us there soon will come a time that there will be no one around who witnessed Jim Crow, etc. firsthand, and then maybe we as a society can FINALLY move beyond"
I don't know about that LK, some people still can't get past slavery that ceased to exist in our country more than 140 years ago. No one who was around then to still remember it is there?
Frank Jones
7:24 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
Racism in the South and in parts of the country didn't stop in the 50s and 60s...It continued through the 70's, 80's, 90's and the 2000's. Examples: Greensboro NC shootings in 1979 by Klan/Klan supporters, Forsyth County GA Klan protest of civil rights rally in 1987, black farmers were denied loans from local farm bureaus through the 90's or 00's. Blacks, even prosperous blacks, are looked upon as lesser people even today (many people would hate for a black family to move next door)...Racism Lives!
For me, my kids play ball and the black families we've played with have been great, often nicer than the white families.
As to Obama having worse values and beliefs...Really? Obamacare is the same as Romneycare. Obama has pushed for greater oversight of the financial industry which caused the recession - Romney and the Republicans have fought it all the way. The Republicans from day 1 of the Obama administration were obstructionists and declare that he "wasn't their President". Obama fought to save the domestic car companies to save U.S. jobs while the Republicans would have seen the companies sold, shuttered, and jobs sent overseas. Obama decided to assist a revolution in Egypt by providing support (not troops) in a manner akin to the French assisting us against Britain. Obama supports increasing tax rates on the wealthy who are currently taxed at the lowest rates since Reagan. So tell me how are his values far worse than Romney's?
Beth Ashworth
7:54 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012
Mark Winter - Religion was a major issue when John Kennedy (Catholic) ran for president and won. Much of the media stated he won because Nixon at the time looked pale and wasn't as good of a speaker (were we more concerned with looks back then?), but Nixon won later. In presidential races there is always going to be garbage from the opposing side. Whether it is religion, race, or any skeletons in the closet. A reminder to us all, we Americans are not the only ones struggling with prej. Most of the world has issues with their fellow countrymen. We are still in the country where we have the freedom to vote, speak our opinions, worship freely. Since I am a woman, I am especially grateful that I do not have to wear a burka to hide myself or fear for my life if my husband decides that I am not pleasing.
Sammy
7:34 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
To stanley seigler;, this article is about prejudice, not racism. Two different things.
Racism is the ideology that humans are divided into separate and exclusive biological entities called "races". This ideology entails the belief that members of a race share a set of characteristic traits, abilities, or qualities, that traits of personality, intellect, morality, and other cultural behavioral characteristics are inherited, and that this inheritance means that races can be ranked as innately superior or inferior to others. The word prejudice is most often used to refer to preconceived judgments toward people or a person because of gender, social class, age, disability, religion, sexuality, race/ethnicity, nationality or other personal characteristics.
Don't confuse one with the other.
reg
7:48 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
?? your definition says that racism is one specific type of prejudice. So why is stanley's observation and inclusion of racism incorrect?
Sammy
7:49 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Again to stanley seigler, per my last comment. Had to post this because I was still waiting for approval of my previous comment.
You may not be able to find the story about fant's boycott of white owned businesses today, it was not that much of a story outside Greenville County where it happened. How do I remember it? Because it happened on my wife's birthday. He said he wanted to show white business owners they buying power of negro consumers. One business that sold cars offered fant a Corvette for one cent if he would come in on that day to buy it. He refused, saying he was tempted because he could have sold the car and done a lot of good with the money but he did not like Corvettes.
One incident of black on white racism, not prejudice I witnessed in 1998. Two children about the same age, one Caucasian, one negro, were looking at each other. Then they approached each other as three year olds will. Suddenly the older sister of the negro child comes running over grabs the younger one pulling her away shouting, "get away from her, you know we don't play with white kids." That IS racism, not prejudice. Do you want more examples of black against white racism or prejudice because I can give you more that I have personally witnessed.
Sammy
9:42 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
reg, a person can be prejudiced against against many people, but a racist hates people usually of a certain race. I personaly believe that there is only one race, we are all human, nothing more nothing less. I freely admit I have prejudices. So does just about everyone else. Racism goes much deeper than prejudice.
Right Here
12:29 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
96% of blacks voted for Obama because he is black (or half black, whatever). I didn't vote for him because I disagree with 99% of his policies and I'm a racist. Yea, prejudice and racism exist, but many people refuse to see where it's coming from
stanley seigler
1:09 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
@Right Here: '...Yea, prejudice and racism exist, but many people refuse to see where it's coming from'
you are right...i dont see where it's coming from...so tell me...
reg
1:35 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
94% of black voters picked John Kerry in the 2004 race, rite hear. That means that particular ethnic group is more likely to vote Democrat. That doesn't mean they voted for Obama because he's (half of) their ethnicity.
stanley seigler
1:47 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
@Sammy: 'Racism is the ideology that humans are divided into separate entities called "races"...this inheritance means that races can be ranked as innately superior or inferior...prejudice used to refer to preconceived judgments toward people because of...race/ethnicity'
hallelujah! you got IT...which makes it incomprehensible why people (you) cant/wont see the painfully obvious: racism exist in our great country.
to defend 'racism' with the black racist strawman begs the question (doesn't deny it exist)...and is evidence racism exist...ie, 'he doth protest too much, me thinks'
re: he [fant] wanted to show white business owners the buying power of negro consumers [sammy]
the basis of the fant demonstration was not racism...it was a demonstration against the corrupt power structure...similar to the TP and OWS demonstrations.
re: ' "get away from her, you know we don't play with white kids." That IS racism, not prejudice.' [sammy]
this may/maynot be racism...but is not based on the belief that whites are inferior because of their color...ie, 'ranked as innately inferior...'
opine: 'real' racism is based on skin color...black 'justified hatred' of whites is based on the treatment they received...are receiving...over 200 years in this country where all people are created equal...black have not been treated as equal...not even by our founders...
BTW prejudice against blacks is based on race...seems racism/prejudice is a semantic not a substance thing.
R M
1:38 pm on Friday, July 27, 2012
Black on white racism is the predominant form of racism in America today. If the politicians will not stop it there will ultimately be drastic consequences.
JoSCh
1:47 pm on Friday, July 27, 2012
Nothing sexier than an anonymous twatbag neonazi threatening a race riot on the internet.
fdf
7:33 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
The length of the conversion process varies according to your needs. Mormons believe that the Holy Trinity is composed of individual gods. Converting from Lutheran to Mormon can take some time as you learn the new faith and follow the baptism process. Thanks.
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