Maria, I wouldn't protest or be upset with Chick-fil-A if their owner simply held anti-gay views. Heck, he owns a fried chicken chain for a living. I don't care about his personal views. But he actively supports groups that oppose equal rights for gays with money spent at his restaurant. I'm not funding the opposition.

The difference between Walmart and this restaurant is that Chick-fil-A openly says it's against homosexuals. It's one thing for employees to say Walmart is discriminatory, but they've never come out and said they were. Could you imagine the outrage? But on top of that, Chick-fil-A gives money to groups that support an oppressive, equal-rights-denying agenda!

Maria has an excellent point. Most of Walmart's charity donations go for privitization efforts, which can result in the shuttering of schools and laying off of union teachers -- both gay and straight. I suspect that boycotting chick-fill-a is just another example of how unwilling citizens in the US are to make sacrifices for movements. Let's face it, it's easy to boycott crappy fast food -- one small chain -- than it is to give up those cheaply made big screen tvs and processed groceries.

Laura, point taken. I personally *try* to avoid Walmart as much as possible, although I haven't had much luck in getting my wife to boycott them; it's just too convenient to our home and cheap for a lot of the basics now that the Food Lions have left Mt P. We do buy fresh veggies and seafood local for the most part, as well as meat, eggs, and cheese from Our Local Foods, Thornhill Farms store out on Clements Ferry.

Chick-Fil-A does give money to public schools through its Fundraising Nights. Everyone knows that public schools don't allow Christian views to be taught, yet Chick-Fil-A still allows the fundraising to happen. So what if they give money to anti-gay. There are alot of companies who give to anti-Christian groups and nothing is said about that

Change "gay" to "black" or "women" in your statement in support of Chick-Fil-A.

Do you think giving money to the KKK or to Al-Qaida is ok if you also help with public school fundraising?

And what "anti-Christian" groups are you talking about? Give us an example of a company that gives to anti-Christian groups.

Well UNIONS give MY MONEY to the DEMOCRATS too .... and there is nothing I can do about it. If it hurts YOUR AGENDA you are against it ... but if it HELPS your LEFT WING agenda, it's perfectly OK.

Hey now.... I'm not getting angry here. I'm just making a personal choice as to where I spend my money. I'm not naive enough to think that I'm going to change someone else's mind on the issue if they're making up their mind based on their own moral position. I just believe this for myself.

Actually, Gretchen, the only money unions donate to candidates comes from a separate pool that union members give to specifically for that purpose. They don't give union dues to candidates at all; only the money that union members separately contribute for that specific purpose. And, btw, 20% of all union donations go to Republicans.

Hey REG ..... 20% goes to REPUBLICANS? WELL, whoopie dooooooo ! ! You made my point

Actually, Gretchen, I disproved your point. You indicated that your union dues went to Democrats. That's incorrect, and in two different ways, as I pointed out. Now let's talk about those lobby groups and industries that only give money to Republicans - oil, private insurance...

Cheryl: Doesn't God Discriminate against sin of all kinds ? Doesn't Christ Discriminate against sin also ? Didn't Christ command us to reprove those who do that which is against God's ways ? Do you boycott Church also ?

@william clark: 'doesn't God discriminate...'

i have issues with your literal bibical interpertations but hate to create doubts about in your beliefs...buttbut...dont think God made you the judge of what He/She says is sin...H/She does say:

"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven."

"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.""
Thank you Stanley

Cheryl: God and Christ discriminate's against all sin and sinners, called "workers of iniquity", homosexuals and lesbians are these workers of iniquity, this is very plain in the Bible , and God and Christ have said that these will not see the Kingdom of God, but are placed in the Lake of Fire that is reserved for the devil and his demons to be punished for eternity, this is their punishment awaiting them if they do not "Repent" and change their ways before the Lord God...I would think that those would heed the many "warnings" that are given to them in God's Word , but it seems that the Bible is corrcet , their "LUST" will not let them repent now. Our Nation of America is feeling the heavy hand f the Lord in many ways . look how far we have degenerated morally from just a few decades ago . :( sad.

The Patch Poll gives the Company a 6 to 1 lead as being right on Marriage, One man one woman, and the Family and also closing on sunday for the worship of God. You go Chick-fil-A.

This is exactly the same as what you bigots support. Way to go

http://www.myfoxal.com/story/19125864/black-wedding-banned-by-baptist-church

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/12/interracial-marriage-deep-south_n_1339827.html

Unfortunately Dan Cathy isn't just a "management member." He's the Chief Operating Officer and son of the founder.

JC and Stanley God commanded us to Judge all things to know if they are true or not . amen, and to Judge those who claim to be Christian to see if they do live that life as God and Christ has commanded they to live . we will know them by their Fruits. Amen. John 7:24. tells us . (Believers in Christ), Judge not according to the apperaance, but Judge righteous Judgment... The homosexual/lesbian doesn't Love God or Christ, if they did they would obey His commands,John 14:15, If ye Love Me keep My commandments. The Homosexual stays in his sin of iniquity lusting after strange flesh , how can he love God and Christ in that sinful condition ? . Don't be deceived , God is not mocked.

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

JC and Stanley. But when the Christian (Born-Again, Elect of God do Judge . we are Not to judge according to appearances, But Judge Righteous Judgment, (John 7:24 ) also he commanded His own to reprove those who disobey God's commands . A person who remains in their lifestyle of sin . Which God has condemned Homosexuality and going after strange flesh, men with mem , women with women doing that which is unseemly , those who fornicate (having sexual relations outside of Marriage), and those who commit adultery while married, those who murder (Abortion is included in that ), stealing , lying, etc. they are to be called out by His Word. What is it that you do not understand about that truth ?

reg: Matt.7:1 is not a blanket command not to judge, many who do not like the term Judge, Judgment, or Judging, hates to be judged by anything or anyone , even God and Christ, But the Lord has given His own the right to Judge but we are to Judge according to His Word and not our own opinions . . you as well as most take this verse alone out of context, In verse 15 of the same chap. Christ tells us to beware of false prophets, how will we know them if we do not "JUDGE" them ?, and what of John 7:24 ? . where Christ comanded us to JUDGE not according to appearance , but "JUDGE" righteous JUDGMENT> and when our Lord told the man "you have rightly "JUDGED" ? reg, the unbeliever like yourself , likes to use that verse against all who Judge them by God's Word, but as you see . it was not a blanket command not to "JUDGE" at all, we are to JUDGE all sin, we are to Judge what people say that does not square with the Holy Scripture, like you do and others who try to justify their sins before God and man ..we are to "Judge" all things according to God's Holy Word for man.

You keep relying on what you yourself declare to be personal interpretations, wm. That scripture you now turn to says we are to take all things into account, and also points out that we as humans lack full means to know all things of relevance in judgement, too. As another teaching reads, “Lay hands suddenly on no man” (1 Timothy 5:22) You have displayed yourself to be holier-than-thou, exclusive, racist and one who finds himself capable of eternal judgement, one who interprets select scripture to his liking, then completely ignore other scripture - in short, completely unChristian. You seem to overlook the Christian teachings of humility, forgiveness, non-judgmental interactions ... and for those reasons will I overlook and ignore your comments here. They sicken me, both as a Christian and as an American, when I read of your desires to create the exact same society that our forefathers came here to escape.

I can plainly see that you do not know your Bible at all. Maybe you should read Ge.6:2 and if you do you will see that man took on many wives, man did this of his own accord. God did not set His approval on that, and if you were to read even a little further like the next verse you will see God setting His disapproval on that as well. Try studying your Bible a little and you will see if you were to read Genesis chapter two that God did sanction the very first marriage and it was between a man and a woman....period!!!! Wake up America!!! Judgement is coming!!!

Solomon and others are called out on their multiple marriages. Keep reading!

I find it fascinating and disheartening that people get so worked up over a civil contract entered into between 2 consenting adults, which is what marriage happens to be. Whether you're married in a church service or a judge's office, it is the state that sanctions the contract. Religious organizations should be free to decline to hold services for couples who do not meet whatever arbitrary set of guidelines it wants to set. There was no way I was going to acquiesce to spending 6 months in pre-Cana classes to prove to a celibate priest that I loved my wife, so we didn't get married in a Catholic church. I had no problem with that, however no religious organization has the right to interfere in a private contract between two consenting adults based on the whims of the interpretation of a text that is thousands of years old and has been translated and edited countless times over the centuries. We live in a secular country that allows all religions and is constitutionally prohibited from even favoring one religion, much less codifying laws based on those religious convictions. If Judgement is coming as Brian says, then he and the "righteous" will get their just reward while the rest of us suffer hellfire and damnation, but that is up to God, not man. Until then the government is left with the responsibility of providing an even playing field, and I have yet to see any evidence that a marriage contract between 2 men or 2 women is any less valid that one between 1 man and 1 woman.

Lunch today: Your statement sure doesn't sound very Christian. Jonathan Allen is correct. you must have a license from the state to get married. The "church decides if they want to perform the ceremony.

Michael: Yes God calls it an abomination , which means He hates it , and will Punish those who remain in that condition. Many will say we should not Judge them or condemn them, that may be true to a point. God has already Judged them and condemned them for that lifestyle in His Word. But Gopd tells His people (The saved Ones ) to Judge all things. But to Judge righteous Judgment, Not according to apperaance, That would be in John 7:24. Many will scream "Judge Not" But Christ was not talking about not Judging he was talking to the Jewish leaders for their wrong type off Judging. It was not a blanket command not to Judge at all. :). if they would read down to the 5th verse they would know what and who Christ was talking to . Chap 6 is also speaking of the hypocrites in the synagogues.

Allen, no, Congress shall make no Law Making a state religion, doesn't say anything about the Nation having a Moral law as in the Bible concerning Marriage between One man and One Woman as the normal and natural Marriage to pro-create the Human Race. we have had laws against adultery and Sodomy, as of now most states have removed their laws against sodomy, which was the first mistake , and now we have watered down the law concerning divorce for adultery, and fornication, this has caused the Nation to degrade itself to a low moral condition, that is why we have so much problems with families not staying together and raising their children. not to mention the law for abortion, where mothers kill their own children.The drug problems and children that have no Father in the house , just a woman who cannot raise children according to what america once did ..it is a shame .

Publicly outing yourself as someone who doesn't believe that all Americans deserve the same rights is brave?

And are you equating homosexuality to practicing Islam?

You last statement in the context of you post is so dripping with hypocrisy that Polynesian sauce wouldn't stick to it.

Barbara: Anyone or any group or Business that closes on Sunday because of their Faith or Goes to Church or has God and His values as Christians,the Homosexuals /lesbians do not like that and are very intolerant and show hate towards those who do have faith in Christ and the Moral Marriage institution that God ordained at the beginning. As God stated in His Word concerning them, They will be a slave to their sin of going after strange flesh and God has let them go . They will not see the Kingdom of God unless they repent and change. But they don't want to change because they Love their sin of Lust.

I am conservative but don't go to church and dont really care one way or the other about the gay marriage issue....Can someone please tell me why the libs always crucify the christians but tip toe around and would not dare critisize muslims who want to destroy everyone who doesn't believe how they believe.

I'm glad to call out the false Christians, Mike, like some here that are twisting the scripture to their own discriminatory needs. and just like I'm glad to call out the false Christians, I'm also glad to criticize any muslims or ones of any other faith that do the same. But not all muslims are discriminatory, just like not all Christians are.

The leader of the "libs" has been doing pretty well against the high value Muslim targets who want to kill people who don't believe what they do.

I find Christians who share values with those kinds of Muslims equally as bad. It really doesn't matter the religion or even if their is a religious basis to it, if they're willing to oppress, hurt, or worse, any people that aren't like them then they're the enemy of America.

Lets break down your post.

"Isn't Chik-Fil-A a privately owned company? They should be allowed their views and be permitted to support whatever groups they choose to support. Each one of us can choose whether to spend our money there or not."

Yes, exactly!

"Personally, I choose not to spend my money at Walmart and other companies that do not share my point of view on things, I just don't usually make a big public deal about it."

Well, you kind of are here.

"I am tired of hearing all the outrage about what each company is or is not doing, because they don't fit a certain agenda. Just don't go there - we all don't need to hear about it."

So why are you posting again?

I understand and mostly agree with you, Carol. But if we don't hear about it, then we'll never learn of it. Some formats of protest can be a bit extroverted, but sometimes that's the only way people can find out.

Carol: this is not about the Owner of this Business and his faith so much. Its about the danger of Diversity, let me explain, There's much talk about "diversity". You hear it in the work place.You hear it on TV. You read about it in the news and in brochures. it seems that everywhere we turn nowadays,DIVERSITY propaganda is in our face. After all, shouldn't everyone be accepted in a free country ?
The battle is over moral issues. Those who preach diversity are really teaching others to tolerate moral depravities; such as, abortion, homosexuality and witchcraft, and other sinful immoral issues to our children and young people who's minds are not yet devoloped to understand these evil things. Homosexuals want to indoctrinate America's children with their Godless sicko filth in the public school system, yet continue to ban the teaching of Bible Creation.

After all, shouldn't everyone be accepted in a free country ?

Yes, as long as they aren't inflammatory slanderous bigots spreading hate and intolerance and lies. As an American I DO NOT accept you. You're Taliban. Go away william. By any means.

Carol : Noone hates sin more than God and Christ, The Bible teaches that God hates homosexuality (Lev. 20:13). Psalm 97:10 commands us to hate evil if we love God.Bible-believing Chriatians should hate homosexuality;but to love all sinners.As we draw closer to the Lord as believer,we shoulf hate what God hates and Love what God loves. The problem is , when the Homosexual stays in their sin they want God to love them and their sin and ,man as well . This is the error of their ways and understanding about God. They think that Gopd will accept them as they are even in their sin of abomination which God has condemned and rightly so. God is and Holy God and a Just God, and will not "tolerate sin in any form , be it sodomy, adultery, murder, stealing , lying, and many more along with fornication. And Homophobia is not insecurity about being Normal,it is insecurity about being around abnormal people."Homophobia is a very NORMAL response towards people who exhibit some very ABNORMAL behavior.

actually, wm, homophobia is a psychological condition experienced by those who doubt their own sexuality.

Proof that special education is still underfunded in SC.

Thanks for all the publicity. I have never been to Chick-Fil-A, but now I am going for sure and eating there. I agree they have a right to stand up for God's Word and I am proud of them. I too am against same sex marriages. I Thank God for people that will stand up for the Lord Jesus Christ and not go to hell.

Catherine: I think that you may, as well as the homosexual/Lesbian will find they are on the wrong side of History. The Lord said in Psalm. 1:1-2 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly,nor standeth in the way of sinners,nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in His law doth he meditate day and night. 5:5, The foolish shall not stand in Thy sight: Thou hatest all workers of iniquity. 10:4 The wicked through the pride of his countenance (homosexual) will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts. 7, his mouth is full of cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue is mischief and vanity.

^5

Allowing others to live as they choose isn't "imposing our views" on anyone.

Not allowing others to live as they choose IS imposing our views.

Do you not see and agree with that distinction?

A same sex couple marrying doesn't affect you in any way.

one definition of Liberal is . "lacking in moral restraint" websters dictionary. that is why liberal democrats always side with the groups that are lacking morals , be it what is Normal or natural, Marriage as was instituted back thousands of years ago in all Society's. yes, we have always had "Sodomites" (homosexuals)(lesbians) within Nations. But study what happened with those nations that supported and condones their conduct as such.

One definition of fascist liar is "posting false information on comment threads" - Look up the actual definition of liberal, and from the same source Sillyam Clark cites: http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definitions/liberal. You won't find his supposed definition or anything remotely resembling it. As a Christian, I'll forgive him for posting that lie.

I just looked up "Liberal" in my 2001 New Websters College Dictionary. I hate to tell you but according to "Websters Dictionary", Mr. William Clark is correct. Check it out for yourselves. #9 Excessively free or indecorous in behavior; licentious. He said "One definition of Liberal is": "Lacking in moral restraint", and this is what this means, and no doubt about it this is our country today.

Morals based on what? Not any of the Charters of Freedom, which are the defining documents of this country. As Americans we're not bound by any religious doctrines or standards and those that choose to be will just have to deal with our freedoms. We're still fighting a war in Afghanistan about this exact issue.

Note that you're using "New Webster's," Brian - that's not Webster's. In fact, Webster's sued the company that originally used that term (World Publishing); lost in court on basis that "webster's" was now a common term used to describe dictionaries (just like Xerox, for example). That "New Webster's" is now owned by John Wiley & Sons - which produces the "For Dummies" series, and which has been sued multiple times for publishing misleading information. Apple, for example, tossed out all Wiley publications from its stores, and sold off everything they had that had any affiliation with Wiley. I should at least thank you, though, for your pointing out how Mr. Clark posted with intentions to mislead. As you point out, the definition he uses is for another word included in that convoluted definition.

Actually in the link you provided reg,

13. Free to excess; regardless of law or moral restraint; licentious.

Sorry. Pretty sad that I had to point it out after two hours of slap fighting.

That said I stand by my assertion that morals in this context aren't propagated or regulated by the gov't and they are the legal authority. A persons beliefs only apply to themselves, law applies to all.

I'm sure that it will fall on deaf ears, but here are some of the other definitions of liberal.

Showing or characterized by broad-mindedness
Having political or social views favoring reform and progress.
Tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism
Given or giving freely
friendly to great freedom in the constitution or administration of government; having tendency toward democratic or republican
Free by birth; hence, befitting a freeman or gentleman; refined; noble; independent; free; not servile or mean
Bestowing in a large and noble way, as a freeman; generous; bounteous; open-handed; as, a liberal giver.
Not strict or rigorous; not confined or restricted to the literal sense; free
Not narrow or contracted in mind; not selfish; enlarged in spirit;

Those are all good attributes in my opinion.

thanks for the correction, josch - toth to william and brian

To use the same dictionary method, though: Conservative - *resistant to change*
http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definitions/conservative

And that's the first definition applied, not the way down yonder 13th

Ultimately, it's about equality. Two loving, consenting adults caring for each other fits squarely within the Constitution's first line: All men are created equality (All people are created equal). The message is clear: We all start out as equals under the law (but right now that is not true). This is a legal discussion first. If your spiritual views are different than mine, that is perfectly okay, but in America we all live under the Constitution not the Bible's laws. American? Act American. Do not take my money and spend it on things that are un-American in this country?

well, Gretchen, what makes it worse is when people spread false information...when that happens, it *starts* the fights

Scott, why do you suppose our country is at the stage of immoralty like it is ? so in your HO, you don't thing people should live a life of moral principles and believe in God and Christ or have faith in them ? having faith in the government is why we are in the fix we are, including the immorality and sin .

If you don't like the program...just change the channel. If you don't like a business for whatever reason don't patronize it. Seems pretty simple to me. Marriage is governed by the civil law. not the church. If a church doesn't want to perform the marriage they don't have to.

If only the US was a theocracy, am I right?

Amen to that Todd. :)

Todd: Many in america have bought into the lie of satan and this Danger of Diversity, to accept that which is called immoral and fellowshipping with those of darkness. Satan plays on peoples emotions and feelings. be not deceived . Fools make a mock of sin, But God will punish those who make a mock of Himand His ways for man. Thay are children of wrath. And america is due , over-due for God's heavy hand of Judgment. sad, very sad.

william, first you use the lines of David Barton, the paid-by-companies preacher who claims Satan is an environmentalist. Now, you're using the "danger of diversity" term? The diatribe created by a white nationalist, anti-Semitic and anti-Catholic clique? I don't find that very Christian.

You aren't being asked to promote or participate. You don't even have to be ok with it. You just have to accept it. Or move to a country that shares your views. But the US isn't one of them. No god, no religious book is the law here. Sorry. Try Iran. Different book and different prophet, but the same god and the same rigid ideology.

JoSCh:. God, and the Holy Bible is the law in my life and in my Home, and the islamic muslims do not have the same god as the Christian Peoples God. they have a different god that has no Son that died and shed His Blood for their sins, and they have no salvation at all.

You don't know islamic muslims, wm. They have the same God as Christians; in fact, the scripture of their own faith mentions Christ by name over two dozen times. They tell of God granting his son Jesus onto the earth through the virgin Mary; they tell of Christ holding the throne in the kingdom of heaven; they tell of a day of reckoning when Christ will return to earth. The specific variation it has to the Christianity we know in the US (aside from its applicability to a specific culture) is that it does not believe that God and Christ can be one and the same - Christ is the son of God, they believe, but is not also God. If you have problems with standout sects of the islamic muslim faith, like those that engage in terrorist-type activities, join the club - but remember that there have been and still are peculiar sects within the Christian faith, too. For example, there's one of late that preaches what its corporate sponsors tell it to; that is quite evidently racist; that is attempting to move its members backwards in history, telling them blatant falsehoods on history, too. Funny, those peculiar Christian churches are doing the same thing those peculiar Islamic muslim churches are doing....

@william clark: '...the Islamic Muslims do not have the same god as the Christian Peoples God...

believe Christians, jews and muslims refer to their God (the One God) as the God of abraham...are you saying there are three gods of abraham...or that jews and muslims just made up their holy books and their God...

BTW how did the jews and christians have the same old testment God....

FYI
http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/beliefs/god.htm
[CLIPs]
The single most important belief in Islam, and arguably the central theme of Islam, is that there is one God. The Muslim name for God is Allah, which is simply Arabic for "the (al) God (Ilah)." The term is related to Elohim, the Hebrew word for God.

It [quran] also mentions the following prophets by name: Adam, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Elias (Elijah), Jonah, Ezekiel, Enoch, Job, Zechariah, John, Jesus, Ezra, Mohammad...

Belief in all the prophets and their messages is an integral part of the belief of every Muslim. The Holy Quran states,

This messenger of Ours believes in that which has been revealed to him from his Lord, and so do the believers; all of them believe in Allah, and in His angels, and in His Books, and in His Messengers, saying, ‘We make no distinction between any of His Messengers.’

REG you have got to be kidding ! ! ! ! If that were the case, half the businesses in the world would be OFF LIMITS to someone. ha ha ha

If you want to go to Chick FIL-A ... do it... if you don't.... go somewhere else. What is the big problem with that?

I also agree with you REG ! ! ! but choose to continue THE argument restating and overstating What you said while massacring grammar, Punctuation... and capitalization ! ! !...?.

There is no problem with your "do it...if you don't.... go somewhere else" premise, Gretchen. that's specifically what I said. (Sheesh! Even when I agree with you, you don't let up on arguing?)

But every consumer is entitled to not just make a choice, but to learn the facts that help him or her make that choice.

That's how I know my car was made in the USA, for example, which was a factor I used when selecting it. That's how I know which brands of fruits and vegetables to avoid (the ones that are paying off the drug lords in other countries). That's how I know which cellphone companies to not use (the ones that got fined millions for legal violations, then just added those fines to customer bills under a "special charge" category you find on the monthly bills). And that's how I know not to go to Chick-fil-A, too; if they take the profits from my purchases, and donate that money to causes that I know to be oppressive and discriminatory, then I won't spend my money there.

reg: in Websters Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary., page.688, a number of difinations for Liberal. i said one was "lacking in moral restraint" : LICENTIOUS, not literal or strict: LOOSE, Broad-minded, not bound by traditional forms, Generous, openhanded. ("mostly with others money..as liberal democrats are , that is why they like tax increases , my thought on the issue ). Sorry reg: it was not a lie . :)

As a liberal, I don't want tax increases. In fact, one of my chief complaints is that 70% of the population is overtaxed. The other 30% is UNDERtaxed in my opinion, true, but --- when you consider that we have the lowest taxes on wealth of all developed nations, and that we're the only country on the planet that taxes folks in poverty, well....

reg: seems you like to argue against facts and truth, in my Websters Dictionary it may have removed that one definition of liberal as . "lacking moral restraint" and was replaced with the definition " Licentious " meaning , lacking legal or moral restraints; especially disregarding sexual restraints. " licentiousness takes away the heart that should be given to God. Take heed of any approaches toward this sin, it is very hard to retreat from it. It bewitches men to their ruin". Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary for Proverbs 23:19-28. Also a Liberal is marked by disregard for strict rules of correctness. My post was correct and still is , and will remain correct.

It seems as if it will remain correct in your mind, william, but that's as far as it gets, looks like. I will follow the Christian teachings I was raised with and try to live by, and will forgive you for the unChristian principles you've promoted and holier-than-thou comments you've made on this thread. Have a good day, now.

Yes, I should know that my money being spent at X company is not going to support Y legislation/advocate that discriminates against millions of Americans. Ultimately, it's about equality. Two loving, consenting adults caring for each other fits squarely within the Constitution's first line: All men are created equality. Although even that's sexist as it should now read: All people are created equal. The message is clear: We all start out as equals under the law (but right now that is not true). This is a legal discussion first. If your spiritual views are different than mine, that is perfectly okay, but in America we all live under the Constitution not the Bible's laws. American? Act American.

@william clark

as seems to be YOUR SOP...you, in effect change subject/issue...in this case the word being defined is changed....eg, from liberal to licentious.

i find no connection, neither by dictionary definition nor common usage, that indicates licentious is even vaguely synonymous with liberal...

please provide your dictionary ref that defines liberal...and led you to believe it is synonymous.

FYI

LIBERAL synonyms: progressive, broad-minded, unprejudiced, beneficent, charitable, openhanded, munificent...

LICENTIOUS synonyms: abandoned, debauched, disorderly, dissolute, immoral, impure, lascivious, lax, lewd, libertine, libidinous, lubricious, lubricous, lustful, profligate, promiscuous, sensual, uncontrollable, uncontrolled, uncurbed, unruly, wanton

re: My [wc's] post was correct and still is, and will remain correct.

really, seems about as baseless as many/most BO-hater opines...

Neat sermon Bill, just what we needed here. By the way, which one is is Bill? If he created all things he must have created confusion and sin. Or is there some alternate definition of "all" that I'm not aware of.

And to that point, your god is the same god that the Muslims believe in. Jews too. That was my point, not that even after my clarification that I'd expect you to get it.

Mr. Clark, I'm not challenging any of your opinions on personal subjects. I respect your opinions, in fact.

I will not overlook completely false information, though. Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian; he did not use the bible as any reference in any action, statement or ruling; in fact, he challenged what he found to be hypocrisy from some settlers who claimed to be Christian.

Our nation's government is neutral on the subject of religion, as it should be.

True, but there isn't any reasonable impediment to you thinking critically and learning the truth.

reg, i never said anything about our government making any religion a state religion, i said that Jeffersion had taking some of the Bible Moral precepts and the punishment for committing them from the Holy Bible . which he did , as i posted. it is noticed that today our government is netural about morals and precepts that were in our way of Government when founded .

"today our government is netural about morals"

Maybe you haven't been paying attention to this thread you've posted on dozens of times, but our government is NOT neutral on same sex marriage which is to you a moral issue. Just because they currently support your view doesn't make them "neutral."

willie, it seems like you're making attempts of diversion here on this page by answering to topics under the incorrect threads. as if you're trying to ensure a last word on a subject by hoping we won't see them and won't reply. I'm not quite sure to which comment you're replying to anymore.

The Lord works AND replies in mysterious ways reg, don't question it.

@william clark: ''websters does have that [Lacking Moral restraint] as one of the definitions of liberal.'

websters precedes this definition w/ 'obsolete'...as in as 'no longer produced or used; out of date.'

"wasn't a lie my friend"...weel guess no mo lie than most BO-hater bs rhetoric.

not sure why wc chose to omit obsolete; surely just an over site...in any case what's the point of posting the definition...but believe the following are a more concise, current, definition (understanding) of conservative and liberal

liberal: 'relating to or having social and political views that favour progress and reform.'

conservative: 'seeks to preserve things as they are, emphasizing stability and continuity, oppose modernism and seek a return to "the way things were"'

conservatives want to return to yesteryear...ie, to 1929 and 2008 failed, voodoo, trickle-up, economic policies.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. That is the first amendment in our constitution. Saying the church should instill the moral principles of the Bible with in gov't is EXACTLY what a theocracy does. We aren't one. Deal with it.

William, you're citing David Barton, who already had to write a public apology for his misuse of historic quotes and false attributions. He continues to do it, but at least he openly admitted he was lying about it. I know of one particular church here in Summerville that quotes Barton often, too. Too bad they don't know where Barton gets his money from (corporate sponsors - his latest trick is a scheme in which they tell folks that Satan is an environmentalist). My family came to the US a century before it was the US - very strict in a strict religion, too (Mennonite). They came here to get away from churches telling govts what to do. With this current and misleading trend of false citation of historic figures, my ancestors - and those of all other Americans - are rolling over in their graves. If they had to leave their homes to come settle a new country that would be void of the religious oppression and religious govt they once suffered under, only to have that new country become the same thing they once escaped, they wouldn't be too happy, now would they? But we're not going anywhere this time. For all those who deliberately malign the history of our country to their own totalitarian, plutocratic (and economically communist) desires, I think it's their turn to go.

@william clark: "...jefferson was a believer in God long before his death"

FYI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_and_religion
The religious views of Thomas Jefferson diverged widely from the orthodox Christianity of his day. Throughout his life Jefferson was intensely interested in theology, religious studies, and morality. Jefferson was most closely connected with unitarianism and the religious philosophy of Deism...Jefferson repeatedly expressed his belief in a deistic god and his admiration for Jesus as a moral teacher.

[CLIPs]
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html
'None of the Founding Fathers were atheists. Most of the Founders were Deists, which is to say they thought the universe had a creator, but that he does not concern himself with the daily lives of humans, and does not directly communicate with humans, either by revelation or by sacred books. They spoke often of God, (Nature's God or the God of Nature), but this was not the God of the bible...by reading their own writings, it's clear that most of them were opposed to the bible, and the teachings of Christianity in particular.

'Of these [founders], only John Jay can be considered an orthodox Christian. As Congress's Secretary for Foreign Affairs, he argued (unsuccessfully) for a prohibition forbidding Catholics from holding office. '

Stanley: yes The Dictionary does have that word as part of the Difination of Liberal. they changed the phrase " lacking moral restraint" to a more detailed lacking of morals .You ought to try to read it and live with it . it is a more demanding difination of a liberal . That lacks not only legal Morals also Spiritual Morals.

JoSCh: Congress has never made any Law to make a state religion.

You're like the Rainman of bible verses. There is absolutely no context with you is there? Fvcking moron, Wapner is on in 8 minutes.

It's appropriate that you spell like the Chick-Fil-A cows. Speel Mor Beeter.

Also, the Adam and Eve story is a parable. Nobody but children and the functionally retarded believe it happened. What grade do you start this fall?

JoSch, you created an account just to post this?

I thought you were paid by the post now it seems pretty evident.

I'm still waiting for my paycheck Adam and/or Lindsay.

I've finished all my classes and gone way beyond. Now I'm licenced to carry and I'd love to help God in his work If only he would ask.

me also. I am glad for the publicity. I am a Jesus follower and I like chicken. I have never been to a Chick-Ful-A but now I am going to go eat there for sure. I am proud they stand up for Our Heavenly Father's word and I will be proud to become one of their customers if I like the taste of the food. Thanks for telling me about them.

I think honoring your savior with chicken nuggets dipped in polynesian sauce truly is so very near the pinnacle of worship. Onward, Christian soldier!

Oh wait... Kent Peterisme is willing to kill for Jesus. Never mind. Now I think his impending murder spree at a theater or fast food joint is the on your heads!

This dumbfvcker is ON YOUR SIDE! This is just one reason why reasonable people make fun of you dumbasses. You support his murder with your concessions to your religion. Be humans, then Americans before you support him. Less people murdered, it's a "liberal" value.

Hey SDR, I see you haven't commented on any other heavy posters. I'm curious, what are the bounds of your hypocrisy, if any?

Also, Adam Crisp and/or Lindsay Street... I'm still waiting on my paycheck!

Kent: those like JoSCh, and others on this board, use statements like JoSCh. " children" and the "functionally retarted" "what grade do you start this fall" ? are all degrading remarks towards those who disagree with the Homosexual(sodomite) lifestyle and sin when they have lost the debate concerning their sin . it shows their HATE, BIGOTRY,INTOLERANCE towards the Normal and what is Right before God.

It's not your so called normal that I hate. It's your hate that I hate. It's your intolerance that I'm intolerant of. You're the problem, you fundamentalists, you jihadists, you peddlers of intolerance and hate. Not the gays or any of us other freedom loving Americans. Note that nobody has condemned you or your type for your beliefs; only for your hate, lies, and intolerance. And maybe a little for your awful grammar, punctuation and spelling. And it's functionally retarded, with a "d". When you quote someone the least you could do is actually quote them.

Jonathan was the son's king. Many woman loved him because of his position. David loved him as a friend. David had plenty of faults, homosexuality was not one of them.
Here's one for you:
1Cor2:14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

I know you have chosen the son of Jesse - which is a disgrace to yourself and the nakedness of your mother!
—Jonathan's father, 1 Samuel, 20:30

reg: you claim to be a Christian and mock God and Christ like that with your vulgar postings like that concerning David and Jonathan ? shame on you ..

quoting the bible is vulgar? You're now claiming the word of God to be wrong?

reg. and you claim to be a christian with that post ? are you saying that somehow you think that makes David or Jonathan a homosexual ? You need to be very careful when you post that to infer that lie .

SDR. I doubt very much that reg. is a believer at all, he is a liberal to be sure .; one without morals or lacking in moral restraint.. amen.

reg. you are trying to deceive others by making it seem that David and Jonathan were homosexuals, or mock God's Word . No, God's Word is not vulgar and i never said that. you are always taking things out of context to argue.

oh, puhleeze, silly willie. You fell for a setup quite easily, didn't you? I quoted scripture, and you made it clear in your response that *all* scripture is widely open to interpretation. You then fell for it further by attempting to cast me and slur me, all based on your interpretation of my having an interpretation. All I did was quote the bible - you're the one who then dumped personal interpretation, as well as baseless and unChristian judgement, on it.

you, sillie willie, are applying your own context. And one that appears to be twisted, too. You're also ignoring my queries about your sources and your intent. For example, I identify your source to be the corporate-sponsored pseudoChristian David Barton ... you don't reply. I point out the stench of exclusionary racism in your posts....you don't reply.

David Duke believes that black people are less worthy humans. He is proud of it.

It's the same thing. Way to go.

God Bless you Mr. Clark, that's all I can say...

@william clark: '...doesn't Gearlds Tires close on Sundays also because of the owners religious beliefs ? ...'

seems WC has moved on from defending his homophobia with jefferson to businesses' Sunday hours (distraction)...sigh...

back to jefferson:

'That to love God with all thy heart and thy neighbor as thyself, is the sum of religion.' [jefferson]

does WC love his homosexual neighbors as himself....

Nobody is protesting them being closed on Sunday or any other aspect of their practicing their religion you fvcking dolt! They are protesting that the Chick-Fil-A owner donates money to lobby groups that actively try to suppress Americans rights. Why do you support suppressing freedom?

stanley: We as believers in Christ , Are to have no fellowship with the children of darkness (Homosexuals/Sodomites). those who are trying to justify their sins before man , yet defile the land they live in as well, are set for the wrath of Gods Judgment upon them.Unless they come to repentence and seek the Holy Spirit for forgiveness, here is what God had to say about those who live in the sin of sodomy, it is in the Book of Romans, Chap. 1, verses 24-27, "it is UNCLEAN", filthy,morally foul,morally polluted."It DISHONORS THE BODY", it is degrading. It involves VILE AFFECTIONS (dishonorable,degrading and disgraceful passions. It is against NATURE, contrary to the original intention of the Creator. It is UNNATURAL ("leaving the natural use ") contrary to GOD-ordained sex relations. It involves BURNING LUST, being sexually inflamed, boiling with unnatural lust. It is UNSEEMLY, shameful. It is ERROR. why do people do these things ? It all begins with A REJECTION OF GOD. They glorified Him not as God, neither were thankful.

Answering my own question: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/rainbow-colored-oreo-a-harbinger-of-more-gay-advertising/2012/06/27/gJQAGkmn6V_story.html

You can go to American Families Association's website and see a whole host of companies they are boycotting to promote their worldview: http://www.afa.net/ (Home Depot, JC Penny are mentioned)

Boycotts are typically employed by leftists. The use of pickets and bullhorns are encouraged

well, SDR, that means those conservative groups like AFA are leftists.

JC: And which gender do you play in that relationship ? the man or the woman ?, and how did you come to procreate two children the natural way as God ordained ? or did you adop them ?Attending a church doesn't remove your abomination according to God. If you read the Bible . you must have missed the Verses that God speaks of "going after strange flesh, and the lifesdtyle of the Sodomite. Have you read Romans Chap. 1 ? you need to . JC it is God's Word that Judges you not people, it may well sound hateful to you , but remember its God who has set the rules and standards for right and Holy living . when you Die here , you will not answer to the Government or our Constitution, you will answer to God and Christ. And there is no perfect person on earth all were born in sin . JC what two females or two males has towards each other is not "Love" but "Lust" , read what Romans calls it verse 27:, And likewise the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their "lust" one towards another ;God also calls that lifestyle and the people unclean, God also says they defile the land they walk on and live in. America is being defiled by these preverted ones who demand that others accept them and their ways .

Thank you for your personal and powerful stories about the real life situations that are behind the gay marriage debate. Ultimately, it's about equality. Two loving, consenting adults caring for each other fits squarely within the Constitution's first line: All men are created equality. Although even that's sexist as it should now read: All people are created equal. The message is clear: We all start out as equals under the law (but right now that is not true. This is a legal discussion first. If your spiritual views are different than mine, that is perfectly okay, but in America we all live under the Constitution not the Bible's laws. American? Act American.

JC: . there is another spirit that is here on earth, and it is a wicked spirit. God does not condone what you are doing , even if all americans approve of your lifestyle, God doesn't and He does not Bless it either. God does not Bless sin. Satan also blesses those who go to him , but in the end you go to the same place as satan...

Shane : In our Constitution , the "all men are created equal" doesn't have anything to do with the right for a man to marry another man. that is pure foolishness and the Founding Fathers never had that in mind, when writting it . you do have a reprobate mind as the Lord has given you for your unbelief. there is also nothing in the Constitution about the "two consenting adults" two men or two women lusting after each other does not fit squarely within our Constitution either. it is a Moral vs. Immoral life .

Gretchen: No they don't go to church, they hate what a true Church of the Lord stands for . They my go to one of their invented churches for sodomites, but it isn't the Lords.No. having civil unions is no different than this lie of gay marriage, both are an abomination to God and he condemns it .

To continue this thought further we must understand that those nations that took part of those sins are warned what would happen to them if they were to continue in that sin, so it does affect our nation. Jude verse 7 which states: Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Those folks are still suffering even now. How about 2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; Friends our nation is in trouble and God's people need to make a stand and now, we may not have tomorrow. Here are a few other Scriptures to digest along with this: Ro 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: Ro 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. We all need to repent even those who know the truth!!! 1Co 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, It says "Be Not Deceived".

@Brian Willis: 'Be Not Deceived'

points to ponder for those who take the bible literally vice practicing its basic teaching of 'love thy neighbor':

“You shall LOVE the Lord your God with ALL your heart, and with ALL your soul, and with ALL your mind, and with ALL your strength: this is the first commandment”.

'LOVE is the FOUNDATION of grace and without this foundation there is NOTHING!,

Coretta Scott King stated that "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood."[

is there love or bigotry in the homophobe's heart for his homosexual neighbor...

BTW for literal bible believers will you explain the ark...eg. two by two of all creatures...oh/and the Bible was written by many authors from around 1445BC to 90AD...

of course they all could have been written by the hand (guidance) of God...guess H/She didn't get it right in the Old so wrote the New...we all makes mistakes.

only kidding God, please no lightening bolts...

@Brian Willis: '...I see that you do not know your Bible...'

bless yo heart child...perhaps i dont...weel know, for sure, i dont have the infinite intelligence (arrogance) to believe H/She (God) entrusted me with this knowledge to know H/She's infinite wisdom...also,

'The Bible is meant to be take literal'...wanta explain how noah got all those animals on the 400-500 ft, ark...and;

and do you believe our deist founders (eg, jefferson) and others were wrong in their belief the Bible was not to be taken literally...if so then perhaps the founders were not christians and we are not a Christian nation...

re: the sun go down upon your wrath

the sun did not rise on any wrath (at least not mine)...i am only dismayed at those who believe they know the word of God...and God made them the judges of we sinners...

"If God say's something, it is true" - until humans apply their own self-serving interpretations to it, that is.

@Brian Willis: '...Your problem is not with me it is with God...'

i dont have a problem with brian or God

re: I [bw] didn't judge you.

dont recall saying you did...the biblical quote by Jesus the Spirit was in reference to the homophobes: "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven."

specifically do not judge the homosexuals as being less than human...not children of the Spirit...

you quote much scripture...but seem not to understand the most important: 'love your neighbor'...in any event;

its obvious you believe the bible is literal and i believe it's metaphorical and tend towards the deist beliefs...somewhere between dogmatic organized religion and skepticism...

BTW homophobes are on the wrong side of history...gays will be accepted just as the blacks and inter-racial marriage have been...

there was a time blacks weren't allowed in christian churches...christian rhetoric similar to the homophobe rhetoric was used to justify the bigotry of scripture 'quoters'...

so very sad, in the meantime children will feel they have to hide in a closet.
BTW you are aware that on my death bed all i have to do is say i believe and ask for forgiveness and i will be one of the 144,000 in heaven :)...
in the meantime i can believe the Spirit is LOVE and the bible is a book with many excellent metaphorical lessons...eg, of the three; faith, hope, charity (love)...the greatest is love.

EDIT, CORRECTION, addition:

as posted:
in the meantime i can believe the Spirit is LOVE and the bible is a book with many excellent metaphorical lessons...eg, of the three; faith, hope, charity (love)...the greatest is love.

as edited:
in the meantime i can believe the Spirit is LOVE and the bible is a book with many excellent metaphorical, [allegorical, practical] lessons...eg, of the three; faith, hope, charity (love)...the greatest is love.

stanley: God said that , not me . i just repeated it for your learning .stanley everything to you is stupid if it goes against your sodomite lifestyle: and then it seems to be Bigotry even when Goid States it ! Stanley you have a big problem with God , who you will stand before one day soon . be careful of the words you use against Him .

@william clark: '...be careful of the words you use against Him ...'

tho not careful about much...the words used are those of the Trinity (father, son and holy spirit)...repeating: 'A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another...By this shall all men know that ye are My disciples, if ye have love one to another.'

which i believe takes precedence any old commandments...

words used to, in a small way, expose bigotry ...NOT against Him!

BTW have it on good authority (brian willis) God is not a him or her...quote: 'He is not a he or a she. God is a Spirit'...and i agree...

God is Spirit...the spirit of love...the infinite spirit of creation...and is 'far beyond our poor power' to tie to organized religious dogma.

God is always referred to in the Male form even though a Spirit, ie, Him, He, Father, His,

@william clark: '...God said that...'

that being: 'the homosexual and lesbian are unclean as they are in their lifestyles now'

help where does God say that...i dont doubt it but would like to know the context...

all sinners are unclean in their lifestyles...point: was the comment specific to homosexuals...was it in ref to all homosexuals are just those who had not accepted Christ...

@william clark: '...God is always referred to in the Male form even though a Spirit...'

how did this happen...think it might be b/c males wrote the bible...(perhaps with divine guidance)and maybe because the catholics (males, the pope) did some pretty heavy editorializing (perhaps with divine guidance) in days of yore.

perhaps this 'always' custom should be changed...

BTW/FYI a 'predominant view is that many of the stories were handed down orally for generations before being written down...'

oh/and thanks for all the bigoted opine and scripture quotes here...they are motivation to study (well google) the bible...and i now feel more comfortable with the view/opine:

that people must worship him (the Spirit) in spirit and in truth...and that the bible is 'an earthly story with a Heavenly meaning' written in metaphors and allegory...perhaps with divine guidance...ie, in a similar manner that Jesus used parables...andand some lessons learned and/or reforced:

of the three, faith, hope love (charity)...the greatest is love...and love thy neighbor...regardless of our differences.

re: oh/and thanks for all the bigoted opine and scripture quotes here...they are motivation to study (well google) the bible...and i now feel more comfortable with the view/opine [stanley s]

some good google stuff:
http://www.gaychristian101.com/sodomites.html
[CLIPS]

'sodomite - someone who engages in anal copulation (especially a male who engages in anal copulation with another male), bugger...a person whose behavior deviates from what is acceptable especially in sexual behavior

'Every verse in the Bible which mentions sodomites is referring to shrine prostitutes who worshiped the Canaanite fertility goddess.

'Many Christians assume the Bible says things it never says. They base their religious beliefs on their false assumptions instead of on what scripture actually says.

'Never in any of the Sodom passages does God say that the sin of Sodom was homosexuality.

'Never in any of the sodomite(s) passages does God or a human author of scripture link sodomites with a committed, faithful, non-cultic partnership between two men or two women.

'Never in any passage that mentions Sodom does God deal with the subject of gay marriage. Isn't that interesting?

'... whenever the Hebrew words qadesh or qadesha are used in scripture, they refer to a pagan worshiper of the fertility goddess. Therefore when we translate from Hebrew to English, we must retain the original Hebrew meaning instead of translating it to mean homosexual. [end clips]

@Brian Willis: '...I do "Love". This is of course the new commandment that our Lord has given to us....'

which the bible teaches us through parables, metaphors and allegory...you believe in a literal interpretation of the bible. i do not...perhaps the results are the same: we both try to love our neighbor as ourselves...

but it is hard to find 'i do love' in your comment: 'All practicing lesbians and homosexuals are spiritually dead and without Christ!!!'

true, unconditional love would welcome our gay neighbors into our churches as has, to a degree, the episcopal church...the 'new commandment' takes precedence over any old...ie;

'A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another...By this shall all men know that ye are My disciples, if ye have love one to another.'

Stanly, just because I say 'All practicing lesbians and homosexuals are spiritually dead and without Christ!!!' does not mean I do not care about them and would not welcome them into the services nor point them to Christ, this we will do, they need Jesus just like you and me. I didn't say that at all. I said they are dead and without Christ, and if you are dead and without Christ then you are lost and still in your sins and this is where the practicing lesbians and homosexuals stand, because if they were truly saved they would have been brought out from that sin through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ the Lord. God changes every person He saves II Cor. 5:17. Again the Bible is to be taken literal. Yes, Jesus sometimes speaks in parables (an earthly story with a Heavenly meaning), and even so they are the true teachings of God and stand as truth. And to those who allegorize almost every scripture, they need to be very careful, because they are giving scripture a secondary meaning in which can be very dangerous. See II Pet. 3:16. I'm not saying it can't be done, but much caution should be used. Please be mindful this is the "Word of God" and we are not to change it, add to it, but to study it out, rightly dividing the word of God II Tim 2:15, comparing spiritual with spiritual I Cor 2:13, it is here a little and there a little line upon line Isaiah. 28:10. Amen and Amen Again. May we all grow and learn.

@Brian Willis: '...the Bible is to be taken literal. Yes, Jesus sometimes speaks in parables (an earthly story with a Heavenly meaning), and even so they are the true teachings of God and stand as truth

you believe the bible is to be taken literally...i believe it is a "earthly story with heavenly meaning" and the commandant to love thy neighbor rules...

you believe, for whatever reason: 'All practicing lesbians and homosexuals are spiritually dead and without Christ!!!' ...what about those with Christ...why pick out the gays...arent all dead w/o Christ...anyhow;

believe we are to the point of "whatever"...not much sense in you continuing to quote scripture you believe literally (and in this thread apply it only to gays)...and i believe are the equlivalent/similar to Jesus' parables...and, for christians, are over ruled by the commandant 'to love thy neighbor...'

PS. do you still believe there were two by two of all species (of the day) on a 4-500 ft boat...guess they were fed with manor from heaven...and the lions were restricted to the forward section and sheep to the aft section...

or perhaps this was the time when the lions would lay down with the lamb

@Gretchen

you sum all the gay bashing, religious blab, blab, yada, yada, yammer, yammer, we-dee, we-dee well

The Chick-Fil-A fellow gives a lot of money to organizations (mind blowingly tax exempt organizations) that exist to suppress the rights of gays.

Gretchen: it is not BASHING as you call it . it is what God has said concerning them . Christians don't bash. we tell them the TRUTH which has gone by the way-side in the last few decades even in most churches,alot of the churches have compromised the Truth and let the worldly ways into it , thereby . making the Holy Spirit to remove the candlestick from it . and it no longer is a church of Christ . It is now a church of satan and the world. sad.

JoSCh: no. the owner has not backed-down from His stand on Marriage being between one man and one woman as God has ordained in the Bible and what all of Nations agree on on this planet. Chick-fil-A has a perfect right to give their money to who they please. that is the Right and freedom to do so in america. the debate over same sex marriage has been settled long ago by God and Christ . you will have to Live with that truth JoSCh. God and Christ are also intolerant towards the sin of Homosexuality/Lesbianism, they also Hate it . read God's Word on the issue .

Why did you capitalize "His" when referring to the owner of a fast food chain? Idolatry much hypocrite?

He does have the right to give to hate groups; that is the cost that decent people pay for freedom, having you Westboro types around.

Your Jesus may hate, mine doesn't. Mine means love. You've perverted Christianity and are equal to the Taliban. Way to go.

How's the idolatry going Bill? "no. the owner has not backed-down from His stand on Marriage being between one man and one woman as God has ordained in the Bible"

You're referring to the owner of Chick-Fil-A as your god. You half baked idiot.

BE NICE! Do what that book you claim to follow says. Quit hating people and spreading slander and lies! You're not going to "cure" anyone with your hate. Open your mind to Jesus, to love, and maybe you'll actually help people and not just be a Koreshian troll. Because you're currently the worst person I've ever interacted with with no doubt. You're a terrible person, with ZERO redeeming qualities. Be nice.

Actual text of HB 5290: http://ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&SessionId=84&GA=97&DocTypeId=HB&DocNum=5290&GAID=11&LegID=65473&SpecSess=&Session=
Bullying on the basis of actual or perceived race, color,
1 religion, sex, national origin, ancestry, physical appearance,
2 socioeconomic status, academic status, pregnancy, parenting
3 status, homelessness, age, marital status, physical or mental
4 disability, military status, sexual orientation,
5 gender-related identity or expression, unfavorable discharge
6 from military service, association with a person or group with
7 one or more of the aforementioned actual or perceived
8 characteristics, or any other distinguishing characteristic is
9 prohibited in all school districts and non-public,
10 non-sectarian elementary and secondary schools

And the Illinois version of AFA only focused on what they called "Homosexual Lobby Group" in their interpretation.

reg. They lost on their attempt to seize upon the Childrens education . trying to get their sick lifestyle taught to children , how wicked they are !

how is protection of anyone from physical abuse "trying to get their sick lifestyle taught to children"? No one is teaching homosexuality, william. that's a very odd insinuation for you to make. In fact, your assertion of it makes you sound like one of those closeted homosexuals who tries to disguise himself by attacks on his own kind. (Then there's your blatant ignoring of my other statements here; that doesn't help you, either.)

reg: i am assuming you are a homosexual from your remarks along with JoSCh, and a few others here on this board, which doesn't surprise me in the least. seems when another states his or her moral stand for truth you seem to know it all;, and everyone else is wrong in their facts but you . my statement on Bill H5290 was correct, The Homosexual Lobby tried to attach their agenda to the Bullying Bill to make it law to teach and accept the homosexual lifestyle as normal and natural, and make teachers the ones to apply it to the young minds of our children. it didn't work . and it failed because of that evil attachment. reg, some others have seen your "know it all attitude". You make a mock of sin and mock God in your replies. you are not what you claim to be when you side with the workers of iniquity such as the Homosexual community and their so-called civil-rights... even the Black leaders and Ministers have a real big problem with these homosexuals demanding the right to marry under the name of "Civil Rights" .

wm, it's becoming more apparent that you are with some history-twisting, false prophesy, corporate sponsored, discriminatory, unChristian type of Christian church. (You reveal that further with your "even the Black leaders" comment.) I'm also leaning to opinion that you are a closet gay, too. (Most who are convicted of attacks against gays later reveal that they themselves are gay, and only did their attacks to hide their own influence.) And no, I'm not gay (which I point out in case you're trying to pick me up) - but I don't care that you are. It does not affect me or my rights, and it does not bring any cost upon me as a taxpayer, either, so I could care less. Unlike the leanings of your postings here, unlike you I don't think I am God, either - I am no one to judge.

I'm not going to silently watch your latest twisting of fact, either. The hate crimes bill was not altered to include homosexuality in the bill - that was the original bill. No hateful crimes against anyone on any basis of any discriminatory event would be tolerated. Hate groups that commit such hateful crimes were the ones who argued against it - because the chief sponsor of the bill was lesbian. What you are also overlooking, wm, is that *there is already such a law in Illinois*. If you and other homophobes had taken one minute to read up on the subject, you'd have learned this bill in question was a more Christian-like enforcement of the existing anti-hate crime law, which already included homosexuals. This new variation simply allowed children who break those laws to be able to undergo counseling instead of automatic expulsion and further punishment - it would allow schools to create a systematic method to address such violations, instead of leaving individual disciplinarians and counselors without support and having them to come up with methods of address on their own. This bill made the pre-existing law easier to manage, and even more Christian-like in its enforcement. But those out-of-tune groups of so-called Christians jumped on it at the last second, not knowing a single thing about it, just to defend their desires to discriminate against minorities and abuse homosexuals?

If I was advocating for womens rights would you assume I was a woman?

I'm glad to hear you're going to quit posting. If only more of you so called Christians would stop posting lies, hate, and veiled threats when called out the internet would be a much better place.

kent. JoSCh and reg. and a few others just like to argue and then comes the name calling from JoSCh and then comes the cussing , when they have lost the debate that is how they reply in general..they will be on the wrong side of History such as it is . Heck, I have even been called the "Taliban"

When did I use those cuss words you refer to, william? More importantly, when did I lose the debate? Every time I introduce valid argument against your statements, you've refused to respond; you just take on another holier-than-thou tangent on another thread on the page. And as I've pointed out, you've used discriminatory, racist-leaning arguments - and which just so happen to be very similar to the practices of the Taliban, too.

Lost the debate? You're saying that some Americans aren't equal. You're advocating exactly for what the Westboro Baptist church does. You ARE Christian Taliban, KKK, Nazi party; you're the enemy of America and Americans. Your only response is misquoting the second least reliable source available. You're welcome to your beliefs, but they certainly don't trump facts.

Kent, and others:
When you read your Bible don't forget to obey eat no split hoof animal or wear mixed fabric or robes with tassels. If your going to take the Bible literally then ever word applies. You can't pick and chose the scripture you like. Most if not all the postings I have read I don't believe would please our Lord. We are like it or not sinners. I see a lot of sin being used in these posts along with bigotry. Example: "sodomite church" when those who are GLBT say they got to church,You should read the Bible and love one another. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. God never made you judge and jury and pass sentence on those who don't agree with your view.

reg you pride yourself to much . go find another place to rant. if you please. you aren't that smart son.

What ranting am I doing, wm? I'm attempting to engage in spirited discussion of a very hot topic. Every time I bring up questionability of your claims, you divert on to answer others.

I'm still waiting to hear why he supports the suppression of Americans rights...

William: Since you have self appoint yourself as judge and jury please read my post a few posts up above these. You can't miss it. My picture is there as it is here. Perhaps you might want to reconsider parts of most of your posts.

Just like the exec at Chick-fil-a has his right to contribute to particular causes, and which no one here is arguing against, everyone else has a right to stay away from his Chick-fil-a business because of those contributions.

Wrong reg, the owner of Chick-Fil-A not only has the right to donate money, talk about it to the media and then back down from his stance when it starts affecting profits, but if someone says something against his hate rhetoric that he could have just kept to himself then they're persecuting him.

It's not "non-Christians" boycotting him, it's Americans who believe that every American has the same rights.

sadly, in this case (phobes v gays) it is the result of intolerance..similar to the misinterpretations used by segregationists justifying segregation...

SS. calling those opposed to special rights for a narrow interest group(self-defined by sexual activity)"phobes" adds nothing to the conversation and shows ignorance and intolerance.

They aren't "special rights", they're rights afforded most Americans.

http://www.myfoxal.com/story/19125864/black-wedding-banned-by-baptist-church

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/12/interracial-marriage-deep-south_n_1339827.html

And why does the term "phobe" bother you? It's a mischaracterization, sure, but it's not entirely inaccurate. Why does everything have to be so "PC" with you?

@SDR: '...calling those opposed..."phobes" adds nothing...'

tend to agree...but couldn't think of a better descriptive term...ie;

'Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality...Definitions refer variably to antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, irrational fear, and hatred...Coretta King stated that "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia'

a more appropriate/descriptive/acceptable term for 'those opposed' is welcome...

@JoSCh: 'It's a mischaracterization'

if so inclined, enlighten me...why a mischaracterization...it was used similarly to way 'racist' is used...at least in the way i use racist...ie, homophobia is to phobe; as racism is to racist.

It's a mischaracterization because a "phobe" is someone with a phobia, a social anxiety characterized as a fear of something. Fear may be part of the driver for these people, but mostly it's hate and contempt for someone that isn't like them or doesn't conform to their definition of normal.

That the definition of homophobia is now expanded beyond what is necessary doesn't surprise me; since I was a kid something as mundane as corn chips can be qualified as "awesome." I admit to being pedantic when it comes to the meaning of words, but there isn't a replacement for "awesome" available today since it has basically replaced "mediocre" or "acceptable" or "good," and for no good reason.

/rage against the hyperbole

Is your name really Jasin or did you misspell it too?

I can see how someone as uneducated as you might miss the distinction between supporting the GOP and active discrimination. There are many in the GOP that don't oppose gay marriage, and many more that just don't care.

Those are companies headed by execs who make donations to campaigns, both R and D. Some have PACs (like Heinz Foundation) that also contribute to charitable causes. And, yes, I do keep track of it. not that I care which political campaigns the execs donate to with their own money, but I do care when they openly donate to flaky causes with corporate profits, like Chick-fil-A is doing, because that means that they are taking *my* money to donate to their *own choice* of funds - if I disagree with that fund and its purpose, then NO, I don't buy their products. I also skip out on companies that close down US locations and move jobs overseas; I don't buy from companies that blatantly break US laws, then add their legal fines on to customer bills; I don't buy from companies that spend my money on things that are not in the best interests of the country or its citizens, either (like Koch Industries).

@JoSCh: '...someone as uneducated...'

believe we agree on most social/political issues...butbutt your put down of uneducated folks serves no purpose but to discourage some smart (perhaps brilliant) folks from participating in our democracy...spelling/grammar are relatively unimportant compared to ideas...innate insights...

ok so there probably arent any innate GOP insights...but hope springs...

His ideas are inexplicably worse than his spelling. And I don't believe that spreading lies or misinformation or fallacy IS participating in our democracy; it's helping to corrupt it.

And for what little it's worth, it was the combination of his condescension and illiteracy that set me off. His insinuation that those companies donate to the GOP because some of their members oppose gay marriage is pretty weak sauce, especially compared to some of the awful people on this thread. He really wasn't worth replying to.

once you give another Business your money for a product it no longer can be considered your money. It belongs to the Business that you bought a product from . Just like the tax on the product, it now belongs to either the state of federal gov. not you. live with it and stop acting like fools.

Between the answer written and the placement of the reply I have no choice but to assume you're just trolling now. Nobody is this bad at posting.

Good job, you certainly got me.

think this all a plot to inrease business...:)...and perhaps provide PATCH a thread... andand for those, like me, who dont have a life to blablabla...

You all think you have a problem with William Clark, but this is NOT the case!!!! Face the fact. The problem you have is with SIN and how to deal with that SIN. Your problem is with the LORD and what the LORD say's about SIN. Mr. Clark is only a paperboy delivering a message. He is warning you that one day you will give an account of your sins and yes Mr. Cathy is right too, the sins committed in our country is inviting God's judgment. Look what happened to all the nations before us that were to live in an ungodly manor. Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire (see also II Pe. 2:6, Lev. 18:22-25 again). Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: The problem is not with Mr. Cathy either, you all are saying it's about freedom and free speech here in America, but that is not the case, the problem is SIN and what God says about sin. So, quit making everyone else the victim of your sin, man-up and repent. For Godly sorrow worketh repentance (II Cor. 7:10). Lu 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Good day..The blood is off my hands, oh ya, Mr. Clark's too.

So much truth in such a short sentence.

He's not delivering the Lords message, he's delivering his hate twisted interpretation of it.

And there was never any blood on your hands, your self important hubris would be amusing if you weren't so potentially dangerous.

@Vicki Ringer: 'William Clark scares me more than any Sodomite ever did.'

sad/sigh, have to add brian willis too...

OTOH

perhaps they are right and will be members of the 144,000 in heaven...BUT;

here on earth (as mentioned) they are on the wrong side of history...and become less relevant with each misinterpretation of scriptures...

the trend, a long time coming, is to the recognition of inalienable rights for ALL...

surely our founders did not put us on the road to perdition.

Do you eat shrimp or bbq Brian? Curiousl

JoSCH..Shrimp or BBQ...you are disguesting!!!!! Shame on you!!! And you say you love, not...you lust!!! And you are offended because you know your lifestyle is against God. Who knows maybe this is the beginning of repentance???? See yourself a sinner yet JoSCH????

That looks like the disjointed ravings of a hate filled propagandist in a gay fueled Jesus rage. I think you're implying that I'm gay (I'm not, but I am American) and you've already judged me as a spiritually dead sinner because I'm not the same religion as you.

Are you Westboro?

Do you wear mixed blends of fabric?

@Brian Willis: 'Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.'

re: 'The many are those...'
...are you sure who the 'many' are...sounds a lot like 'willis and clark' casting out the homosexuals...prophesied hell and damnation for them...

and this, boys and girls, is why there is a distinct separation between church and state in the US. If we had let people claim to speak for God and apply their own interpretations (as, it seems to me, some scripture writers themselves did), where would we be today? In the same boat the founders of this country came here to escape.

If I defended womens rights would you assume me a woman?

You're "convicting" me based on your beliefs, not facts or laws.

And I see I'm going to have to soon defend the first amendment from you.

Are you ever going to answer the questions that should prove you a hypocrite? Shrimp, bbq, wool blends?

the problem, Brian, is that you use your own personal interpretations to apply your own specific and personal definition of "sin" in your own specific condemnation of others. "I didn't judge you God already has" - ...and when did God appoint you to be His spokesperson?

Brian, Relax

J and r are the embodiment of freewill.

Rom 14:11

Sorry SDR, American will NEVER implement you and Brian's Christian version of Sharia law. We were FOUNDED on free will and freedom of religion. Deal with it.

No, it all goes back to the first amendment. Your bible is NOT the law in this land. Deal with it, or find a country that still puts religion above individual freedom. There are still a few. Your entire worldview hinges on everyone being just like you; most of us aren't.

MR WILLIS, YES MR CATHY IS RIGHT , AND THOSE WHO SPEAK AGAINST HIM KNOW HE IS RIGHT, THEY MUST SCREAM OUT AGAINST THEIR FAILED LIFE OF RUNNING WITH SATAN AND HIS PEOPLE, WHEN ONE SUPS WITH THE DEVIL , ONE NEEDS A VERY LONG SPOON OR ONE GETS BURNED.

Brian and others. A lot of you cherry pick your scripture from the KJV of the BIble. This is the version that has the most errors in it's "translation." Those of you who literally believe that all these versions should be take literally yet some of you chose to slid by the split hoof, mixed fabric etc. How many of you show Christ's Love she you you cut of some on the road going to work? How many cut off some one to get the parking space. Is that God's Love in action? I think not. Sin is sin and we are all sinners. We work to do God's will. Straight, Queer, Homosexuals, Gays Transgendered, Transexuals. You now what? He says we are to Love one another and that they well know us by our love. From a transexual pastor since 1976 who knows God loves her.

How soon? I hope not in the next 15 minutes, I have a meeting scheduled at 4.

YOUR SISTER IS A LESBIAN ? AND YOU CLAIM THAT SHE IS A PRACTICING CHRISTIAN ? HOW CAN THAT BE ? YOU HAVE WATCHED HER PRAY ? HAS SHE EVER "REPENTED' TO GOD AND ASKED THAT GOD CHANGE HER SINFUL CONDITION THAT SHE LIVES ? YOUR SISTER WAS NOT BORN THAT WAY . SHE CHOSE THAT LIFESTYLE ON HER OWN, DO NOT BE DECEIVED . REMEMBER THERE IS ANOTHER SPIRIT ON THIS EARTH AND EVIL ONE CALLED SATAN, AND THOSE WHO CLAIM TO BE HOMOSEXUAL AND LESBIAN ARE HIS CHILDREN NOT GOD'S. GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF SIN OR CONFUSION. GOD DOESN'T MAKE PEOPLE SINNERS AND THEN CONDEMN THEM FOR FOR THEIR SINS . GOD NEVER GIVES A BLESSING TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN THEIR SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY/LESBIANISM, ADULTERER, FORNICATION,MURDERER. IF YOU BELIEVE IN CHRIST YOU OBEY HIS COMMANDS AND HIS WORD CONCERNING A HOLY LIFE,AND LIVE SUCH BEFORE HIM . GOD TELLS HIS PEOPLE , 'TO BE YE HOLY BECAUSE I AM HOLY.

Thank you for your comment, Stephanie. And thank you for being a good sister to your sister.

@william clark

your comments do not sound like unconditional christian love...your comments are more and more irrelevant and only provide straight lines to show the ridiculousness of the your positions...

when yo in a hole stop digging.

well, willie, the difference is you don't face up to God's law until your final day comes along. Mans' laws, though, are applicable right now - and are punishable right now, too.

@william clark: '...I NEED NOW BE CONCERNED ABOUT MANS LAWS...'

be careful when you run red lights

To William Clark; You wrote; “YOUR SISTER WAS NOT BORN THAT WAY . SHE CHOSE THAT LIFESTYLE ON HER OWN,”
Do you believe that all people are born heterosexual and choose to be aroused by persons of the same sex?

Mr. Clark. You are shouting. Are you that insecure. Where is God's love in your comments. Despite all the things you have said and judgements made I still love you as a a brother in Christ.

Christians that approve the same sex marriage thing ARE NOT CHRISTIANS!! Same sex marriage its nasty and totally UN GODLY its like sleeping with ANIMALS!!! ITS AGAINST GOD And he will show you! Attack me all you want I KNOW I AM RIGHT! I have grown up in a TRUE BAPTIST CHURCH and I know my Bible. Gods judgment on the earth is coming soon. You will see. Maybe you will see the hard way.

@ Brian and Clark You guys need to go out in the streets and PREACH to the crowds like they do here in PERU! I can see my people in AMERICA need it!

True Baptists.

http://www.myfoxal.com/story/19125864/black-wedding-banned-by-baptist-church

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/12/interracial-marriage-deep-south_n_1339827.html

Stay in Peru please.

To the people of Peru, sorry, but better you than me.

@JoSCh

link you provided say:

'Black wedding banned by Baptist church'

Jesus wept/weeps...hope all will ponder/pray a little on this...

Just another minority being denied rights afforded most Americans Stanley, why would they ponder it or pray about it? As long as they don't believe their rights are currently being trampled, they don't care. They don't understand the point of America, only their own greed.

@Brian Willis

if this in response to my concern re room for only 144,000 in heaven...i know the scriptures...my question was/is: is this to be taken literally...andand;

if not then why are only cherry-picked verses to be taken literally...

apologies for straying from the topic...but maybe worthwhile considering...

What Bible do you use?

Wait, there are different versions? How can it be that the divine word of God was interpreted differently? How can I cast judgement on others if I'm not sure which interpretation is correct?

I guess I could just do like you people do and wing it and then claim I'm right, it's not like every version is translated and contradictory...

Real world results, Chick-Fil-A flip flops when the chips are down, they don't really support your "values."

say, troll bob - This is not a scientific poll. This is a reader poll, the demographics of its respondents are not even collected, and thus it doesn't not give any indication of the true public opinion. (especially when folks like you sign in with multiple different names to vote as many times as possible)

Science and facts have no bearing on bobs hatred reg, you know this.

I may support Chick-Fil-A this week for getting something right... even if its probably for the wrong reasons.